‘Dongshan asked Yunyan, “When I want to see it face to face, what should I do?”
Yunyan said, “Ask someone who’s done it.”
Dongshan said, “That’s what I’m doing.”
Yunyan said, “What can I say to you?”‘ (Zen’s Chinese Heritage)
Reading through Zen’s Chinese Heritage again, I came across this exchange, and thought I would repost it. I still feel sorry for Dongshan; it took him such a long time to figure it out.