‘If you cling to an idea you create, like a self, or an objective reality, you will be lost in the objective world that you create with your mind. You are creating things one after another, so there is no end. There may be various worlds that you are creating, and to create and see many things is very interesting, but you should not be lost in your creations.’ (Not Always So)

Unlike Ta Hui, Suzuki Roshi does not talk of cutting off hands, but the notion is the same.